Capturing Liverpool: Tony Woolliscroft on Music & Football Photography

Picture this: being immersed in Liverpool's vibrant rock and roll scene, with your guide being none other than acclaimed photographer Tony Woolliscroft. Tony, a seasoned tour companion of some of the world's biggest bands, takes us on a journey through his vast experiences, from meeting icons like Dave Grohl and Paul McCartney to hilarious anecdotes. We traverse the fine lines connecting music, photography, and the city of Liverpool, with occasional forays into the local football scene.

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Speaker 1: 0:10

Hi everyone and welcome to another episode, another story, episode of the Liverpool Connection podcast. I am Daz. Please like and subscribe and all that good stuff. And if you haven't checked out the YAMM AllB three year anniversary podcast that we did, please go and check that out. And we've also got coming out soon former Liverpool midfielder, ray Houghton another boss. Interview with him, no holds barred, tells it like it is how it's supposed to.

Speaker 1: 0:40

But my special guest today, the king of rock and roll photography. Yeah, i'm going to beg you up massive. I mean 15 to 16 years on tour with Red Hot Chili Peppers, over 20 years, knowing the food fighters and for the you youngsters out there, these photographs the 1975, i've got to put the young bands in But also the likes of guerrillas, david Albert and Bush, gerand, gerand, that's just the name a few. So very pleased and privileged to bring on Tony Willis Willis Croft to talk about his photography. But also he's a Liverpool supporter. So how you can't be any more rock and roll than that mate. You take rock and roll pictures on your Liverpool supporter.

Speaker 2: 1:35

So in my book, king of Rock and Roll, Well, don't you think, though, Darren, that Liverpool music go kind of like a little bit hand in hand? anyway, of course you do.

Speaker 1: 1:45

You know, i mean Liverpool as a city has brought out well, i mean, the best rock and roll band in the world still to me is the Beatles, really.

Speaker 2: 1:55

Yeah, I mean. Dave Grohl introduced me to Paul McCartney. Do you know what my first question was?

Speaker 1: 2:02

I'm surprised you actually got a question out.

Speaker 2: 2:06

It was an easy one. Oh, you read a blue. Dave Grohl looked at me like I got two heads.

Speaker 1: 2:13

Isn't he a blue though? No, he's not. I've seen in a few where he I think it was more so like he didn't want to divide the city, so he's got borderline where he's like. yeah, i'm a supporter.

Speaker 2: 2:32

Someone was telling me, actually, that his first house before the famous one, what's in like the National Trusting now, is very near the good It's in Everton, isn't it That third house? So it's understandable. perhaps you would have sat on that side of the fence. early doors like.

Speaker 1: 2:55

Yeah, just he wouldn't get a stuff thrown at his house. I don't blame him, but I'm surprised you were able to actually ask him, because it's there's a couple of people that for me I wouldn't be able to get the words out. King Kenny is obviously one.

Speaker 2: 3:12

You know what? I spent three days with Kenny.

Speaker 1: 3:15

Okay, now you're showing off. Now you're showing off Paul McCartney. Now, king, come on.

Speaker 2: 3:19

No, I think anyone was not a massive Beatles fan. They're not. I know it sounds dingy And as I look at your zoom link at your place with all your trainers on the back wall and I see the Istanbul thing behind you And that's perhaps one of my favourites ever Beatles song because it was. There are places I remember it was put towards the video And that song always resonates with me. You know what I mean. It's like that was the first Champions League final that I ever got to go in that long And so. But the Beatles thing is a weird one. I'm 58 and I grew up in the punk thing, Much to me, mum and dad's heart. Trust me It's hard for people to suss out these days that the outrage that punk caused My mum's famous line to me, Darren, was a two punk rock made to came call for me when we were getting out. I was only 14, 15. My mother's famous words, which will make a laugh even to these days, was where did we go wrong?

Speaker 1: 4:34

Oh no.

Speaker 2: 4:37

So by horror on a face of where did we go wrong, tony, as you bring this to the door? And then she got no man absolutely love the pieces up and you know, never judge a book by its cover, but that's how it was perceived in them days, so kind of like I grew up with that. And as much as I like the Beatles and I can listen to the Beatles, i would say if you ask me for memorable days, okay, yeah, i met Paul with, with Dave and that law, but he's also a massive lead Zeppelin fan And I've given Jimmy Page a lift down from the Crang Awards and things like that. And they don't really resonate with me either. Now, if you ask me, when I went out with the gorillas and I was with Paul Simmond and Mick Jones, i got goosebumps. Yeah, because they the second band I ever queued up to see at the Victoria Road the clash, you know what I mean. And I walked in the gorillas rehearsal in a small little rehearsal room in Latimer Road in London and Mick and Paul broke the corner and I was like that's making Paul, that is from the clash. You know what I mean. That's really resonating with me.

Speaker 2: 5:49

But going back to originally say I am my whole connection with with Liverpool and doing photographic work with them comes through. Obviously it's kept a lot more. The Americans have kept it a lot more in in house now, but first of all when I first started doing it, it's kind of like subbed out to a company. So Trinity Mirror added And then there was a subsidiary in Trinity Mirror called Reach Sport. Now Steve Hanaran and Rick Kuk and Paul Dover are really good friends now And I reached out to Steve Hanaran Because I noticed Liverpool and got a weekly magazine coming out And I was like have you need anybody? This is my CV. Have you need anybody doing anything with the players? Give me a nod, kind of thing. And he said, look, we get very, very limited time with the players, but I'll bear your mind, knowing where you've come from, kind of thing. You like the Chile pepper as you like the food fighters. And it's again goes back to Istanbul, because I took a bridge digital camera to Istanbul. I only got about 200 pictures on the card. The whole Istanbul thing was a little bit mad because you know, again, going off, i can talk for Britain. Trust me on this down. So going off kill. It's going to be very, very interesting tomorrow to see how many man city take to that place.

Speaker 2: 7:34

Let me tell you quite simply is I just left Karang in 2005. I'd had enough of doing Cannibal Corp's in Sheffield Corporation that I wanted to expand my portfolio And I basically got a bridge camera digital one to keep. I couldn't afford the £800 trip which it was. Then. I'd got a ticket for the final, but I hadn't got 800 quid I'd spend on a flight And I'd got 100,000 air miles on United on store store allowance, because I've flown to America that much in 15 years. But for two weeks, for the final, i was ringing up and saying any, any flights, no, no, no, there's nothing available.

Speaker 2: 8:26

And on the last Saturday, before Arsenal played Manu in the FA Club, i got up at seven o'clock, rang up again, got blown out again And then I tried again at three o'clock. My ex-girlfriend said Luke, go and try again. What are you losing? And I said to the woman on the ticket desk I don't care if you fly me to Bangkok and fly me back. All the traffic's going to Istanbul. I know it does. And she started laughing. The German woman did and said why is it so important? And I told her, my team are in the final kind of thing And it took her three hours root me out what she did. I used over 50,000 in the mail, so it's going to be very interesting to see how many man city take, because when I rolled up there in Istanbul there was 50,000 Liverpool out there. It was like Amfield Road south. I bumped into people off my road, you know, in the final.

Speaker 2: 9:22

So anyway, going back to what I was saying, i took a bridge camera and, because Liverpool hadn't got the people documenting the crowd in them days, i took pictures of all the banners and when they were at the fan park outside Attitürk and they played you'll never walk alone I got on stage, took the whole sea of the car with the scarves up in that lorry and it would be about three weeks later, reached sport. We're doing the official book from Istanbul. And I had this phone call. It was just about going the dentist and it was Steve saying Hi, tony, we've only spoke by email, but listen, we've just got your disk from Istanbul. Do you mind if we use some of your pictures in the official book for Istanbul? and that's what opened the door for all of this.

Speaker 2: 10:12

So, going back to what you say, that the whole Kenny thing and Paul McCartney the Kenny thing was a bit mad for me because obviously Liverpool the colossal when I was growing up, and to actually spend three separate times with Kenny Nalglis and the first story I could tell you on that's a really funny one. So they shot the museum. So they shot the museum off and we had Kenny with the proper European Cup, we had him with the League Cup and we had him with the old Division One trophy. So he was in a put-a-back drop-up shooting portraits. Now the big boss of reached sport was a guy called Kenneth as well and he came down to just make sure it was all running smooth, because it was quite a big deal.

Speaker 2: 11:07

We had Kenny Nalglis shooting the shot in the museum off and everything else and he'd obviously got some kind of relationship with Kenny Nalglis as well. They were both bouncing off on another on comments and things like that. I shot pictures of Kenny with the trophy and he said Kenneth, yeah, can you put this down on the floor? He passed the trophy to Kenneth from each sport and Kenneth stumbled as he took the trophy off. Kenny fell to the floor and landed on the trophy and bent it and everybody was like this oh my god, kenny Nalglis went yeah, fucking tell Jordan Abatonian which made me be a stout laughing even though it was dead in appropriate and they tried straight straightening the old Division One championship trophy. And they tried straightening it and then they put it on the plinth and it was won when it had been bent. They hadn't got a silver smith in come and repair it. So that was the first time that made me laugh, but the second day that I spent with him, a couple of weeks later, we went to Glasgow with him, which was mental.

Speaker 2: 12:26

So we started at Hamden Park in the dressing rooms and around the ground and that lot, which was great, but the most Darren, the most amazing time for me out of the three locations we went was we went to the house that he grew up in. Now, the house he actually grew up in was a semi-detached few American listeners that's a one up, one down, two up, two down, sometimes three. So it's a two-story house that's semi-detached to another house which was quite, you know, very common in the UK, and there was a row of them. One of them was Kenny's, where either side of him was a four block tenement, so four-story blocks of flats, so not high rise one, only four stories. So you got one by the side and one along the bottom. But in the middle was a green, an asphalt green bit of grass, bit of gravel kind of thing, and that's where Kenny Lee played football. So we were having a kick around on there And Kenny came out and said yeah, can't be here long, lad, you know we can't be here long.

Speaker 2: 13:46

I'm thinking, ken, what you on about? It's like 50 odd years since you've been bloody year. Who do you think's here now? Kind of thing. Do you know what, darren, 10 minutes later you'd yeah, is that you, kenny? And suddenly all these people appeared out of the flats And within minutes there was like about 50 or 60 people around. This is like midday on a Tuesday afternoon. I'm like, oh my God, he was right. Suddenly I'm having to do all these pictures and all these big groups of people and everything. It was just bizarre and bizarre.

Speaker 2: 14:23

And then we went to Park Edwardy, celtic, and we did pictures of him around Celtic. But that to me we've wanted the best days I've had. You just had so much time with him. I think he was out to Liverpool. He was really relaxed and you know it was proper, proper day That was. It was fantastic And you know you touch wood on things like that because and I always remember him saying to me I said there's anything you regret you know from from Liverpool, your time at Liverpool, and still now you associate. And he said, yeah, i never got sit in the cop when there was a match on And I was like, come up by us, you'll be fine. You know what I mean, but it was brilliant. Absolutely. They are the pinch yourself moments. You know what I mean. Certainly, in what I've done kind of thing, you know I think the mad thing is dealing with all the old players has been brilliant.

Speaker 2: 15:28

I did a Liverpool captain's book And we went to Ronnie Wheeland's house in Southport where we had to pull apart the dining room for put the studio up and hotel rooms here and there and everywhere. Jamie Redknapp's garage down in Leatherhead in Surrey, and it was proper adventure. That was. Me and Rang El did it and it took about eight months for Do It All and get near the players And a couple of them were you gain half. Come now and do it, otherwise you won't get it, kind of thing, and one of the couple of the last team memories of that was in Stephen Gerrard's last season. And then I don't, did you hear this story on the last podcast from Rang El, the Stephen Gerrard picture? I always, i always carry that mantra around with me never meet your heroes, they'll always let you down. And that's not strictly true, but what that actually means is you don't quite know what was happening to them five minutes before you walk in the room full of life kind of thing. You know they could have been having the worst day ever, kind of thing. And then when I did Stephen for his captain's book, it was in his last season when he was leaving And it was tense, there was tension. You know he was going in fierce to do pictures and then he wouldn't. And then I got 60 seconds to do a portrait, kind of thing. And so that was one of the last team memories of Dina.

Speaker 2: 17:05

But the Tommy Smith one was, i think, the most last Dino to that And it was one of the last interviews that Tommy ever did And it was. It was quite shocking in the sense that we'd done Tommy three years before for the Liverpool heroes book And he fired on all four cylinders three years before. I never realized. He couldn't fold his arms properly because his elbows were smashed from playing the game And they hadn't. He'd had new bits and bobs that had never gone quite right. So he couldn't fold his arms right and quarter zone injections everywhere.

Speaker 2: 17:45

But he was telling stories about it in left, right and centre. You know what I mean. He was full of it And his wife had Alzheimer's really badly And Tommy was the glue. Tommy looked after it, did everything for you know what I mean. And then when his wife died, his daughter said within six months Tommy had gone Alzheimer's. So when we went back to him to do the Captain's book, it was like a child. It was really like wow, god you know.

Speaker 2: 18:18

And my last memory of Tommy is standing at the window waving to us by my like as we were leaving, like a small, like a child really, you know. And it was, i think, more shocking because I'd gone to his house in Crosby before And it been ace, all the stories he told you and everything else. And then suddenly you know what I mean, this whole thing where they're not this heading the ball, the heavy, but Ron Yates was a little bit like that. He actually had he and St John, unfortunately now was gone as well, prominent in kind of things. So I've been. Some of the things that I've done actually for Liverpool were quite have been quite amazing. But looking at the picture from Istanbul, it was all them pictures from Istanbul that are supplied. They're open the door for it. So there you go. That's often how we got in two stories.

Speaker 1: 19:15

Crazy, only 19 minutes in. But I want to go back back, way back, because obviously you're not a scouter. No, when did Liverpool football club like come into your life?

Speaker 2: 19:30

So they were the big team when I was a kid, you know, in 76, when they were going for the travel. I think it sparked everybody's thing. I was 11, you know, and just suddenly Liverpool on the map, kind of thing, And that's when you started noticing them and things like that. And I always say the funny thing is, you're related to this more than anything And this is how you relate to it. I've done gigs in America. This is a great story actually.

Speaker 2: 20:05

I was out on a tour Some years ago, the early 2000s, and he was a tattooed, a planet tour and he was slayer, bio-azid, loads of bands And I got the phone call off the Chile peppers that they were in the Midwest. He'd all had mohawk shaved in and all the rest. Did a one come out and I went. Well, i'm in the States anyway, so where, whereabouts are you? And you went over playing Chicago in two nights time. So I'm like, okay, i'll finish this job today, i'll get on the Amtrak from Detroit around to Chicago.

Speaker 2: 20:41

And so I arrived at Chicago the night before the Chile pepper show. It's about 10 o'clock at night And I rolled out and I went straight to the holiday inn. No, i'm sorry, there's no availability. We've got a trade thing in. I went. Then I got in a taxi, went to the next hotel no availability. And they said there's a massive trading convention in Chicago, no chance.

Speaker 2: 21:11

So I sat in with the taxi driver and I went listen, mate, this is where the band are playing tomorrow night. I didn't say what that. I said it's the hotel or the motel near this venue. And he said, yeah, there is. And I said, well, oh great, they'll have availability. He said, yeah, that most definitely they'll have availability tonight.

Speaker 2: 21:31

And then I said I can jump on the bus after And I said can you take me there? And he went do you want to go flat rate or shall I put the meter on? I'm fine. I said Chicago, indeed. He went, yeah, but it's like 55 mile away And I always think that Stem to Liverpool isn't 55 miles. you know what I mean And it was a weird one. But going back to what you say as a little bit with the big team, i always think of that as well. I spent the first 18 months of my life in Singapore with me. Dad was in the Navy, so that gives me kind of like a pass, and then I suppose you end up working for the clubs doing bits and bobs, so that's another pass. But yeah, i'm not scouts, but I spent half me bloody life up there.

Speaker 1: 22:26

So when was the first time like you went to Anfield to actually see a match?

Speaker 2: 22:34

It was before It was the season that we did the club Cup treble And I managed to get up there for one match. It was a European one And I can't remember which one, because at that point I did editorial work for Karang, for Role magazine, for seven years And I did Karang for something like I think it was in 12 years or something like that, and I was never on. And if you were on then you were out at the weekends And as much as I loved football and everything else, it just didn't mix. And then I'd follow me team on by the scores or whatever. Don't forget, there's no internet or anything in them, there's no YouTube to watch the match. So you'd be waiting for the score, so I could.

Speaker 2: 23:28

But I was offered a European tickets that night that I went up and then I had a friend who isn't with us anymore, steve Schultz, massive scouts, six foot seven, great guy. And then he got tickets for the FA Cup final. I was like I fucking would have loved to have gone that. And he said mate, we're going to go Dortmund for when they play Oliver's And I went to count me in. I haven't got no way to count me in. You know what I mean. He said I've got touts lined up. You know we'll get him And this is again a great story done. He said if you've got any mates. I said what do you mean? you won't go to the match? And he said yeah, i've got a tour bus. What do you mean? you've got a tour bus? He said I've got a 12-bump tour bus We're going to take. And there was nine of us on a 12-biz tour bus And so we rolled up on that car park by outside Dortmund where all the buses parked And there was like 50, 60 people getting off the buses. 12 of us got on a double deck of bunked tour bus And we were all into town And we were waiting for this tout to ring us with the tickets And we heard a whisper that Alavaz had retained another thousand. But if you got off the ground now you could get old of him. So we lagged it up the ground And a guy called Bea was in front of me And I was saying Bea, bea, are there any tickets left And how much? And he was just get your fucking Deutschmarks, mate. And I went what? Just get your Deutschmarks. And I gave him the money and he bought the tickets And I sat next to him for the final. So that was the first final that I went to, but the first time was one of them European matches then on the run-up, and then you kind of get hooked then.

Speaker 2: 25:25

Then I found out that a really good friend of mine in Stokey's, brother, had had a season ticket since 94. And I found out through Mick then that there was a buzz that runs from Stokey's every home match league match anyway And you found out then that you could get tickets through that. So I did that for a few years And then in 20 years ago this year Mick's friend who sat by the side of him on the court couldn't afford a season ticket And he let him down the night before the renewals were up. So Mick rang me panicking, going if I don't sell this, he goes back to the club and we lose it. Do you want it? I was like yeah, and I put two credit cards down on it And then I was Susan Frost for 18 years And then finally, two years ago I got it in my name when the amnesty happened on Covid And even though it's been mine, you couldn't change it And there was people you know what they like it's really bizarre.

Speaker 2: 26:40

I've never known it before Now, if I'm honest, i've never known it of other teams either where the season ticket has been in somebody else's name and he won't let it go, even though they haven't been for 15 or 20 years. I'll come back one day, kind of thing. Jesus wept, but yeah, finally it's in my name, kind of thing.

Speaker 1: 27:06

No Sue anymore, hey, no, no, them days have gone now. Now you can take the lipstick and the makeup and the wick.

Speaker 1: 27:15

See, that's the thing too. There's been so many season ticket holders, like when you swap the ticket out because I've had it done to me and some mates have given me the ticket, and you walk up there, they're so used to the same person sitting next to him Staring at you like who are you? Yeah, who are you? Can you like? Second one Yeah, yeah, you know. well, i mean, season tickets are like gold dust, you know. I mean you've got thank God, you know the opening, the new stand, so they get an extra. I think it's an extra thousand season tickets now, which I find bizarre because it's 6,000 more seats but only a thousand ticket holders. Some of them go to hospitality or whatever, and then some go to, you know, general sale, which I still think's maths. You know, you've got people that would get an extra because of the capacity going up And they're still, you know, a thousand and one away from getting a season ticket, you know. But there's so many people in for them, you know you're not going to make everyone happy, that's the thing.

Speaker 2: 28:37

I think the main thing is as well, darren, is people tend to panic around them and don't want to make any ripples. You know what I mean. It's one of them. If I aren't saying anything, nothing that's noticed. I used to have a guy sitting behind me named Michael, and his brother and uncle were in the main stand and they'd taken two season tickets off Other family members who hadn't been for years, and it was a father and son season ticket. And if Liverpool had actually done the sums in the main stand at the time when they all changed and the actor all put the amnesty in and then do it again, i think the son was 75 and their father was 143. This is how long these had been and it was crazy. You know what I mean. It was something before, like the son was 55 and the father was 80, or they just like if you do actually look at it and go, father and son. Really This has been father and son since like 1990 or something, but because people just don't like making waves or whatever, and not only that, liverpool made it hard for a long time.

Speaker 2: 29:52

I remember going to an international. I was photographing an international ladies night for Liverpool just before Covid. And what was the big chief executive? I think he's gone now Was it Rick Perry? Yeah, rick Perry, yeah, yeah, he was in there and everybody had had a drink and was thinking you'll never walk alone again. He before we knew that Covid was going on And I said I call a demon at one point and I said Rick, listen, can I ask you something? And he said let's look serious. Well, i watched the matter and I said listen, mate, i've been Susan Frost before 18 years. Are you ever going to have an amnesty again so I can actually change it? And he started wetting himself and he said listen, we realize this. We're genuinely thinking about it in the next 12 months. And then, of course, covid happened and everything then stopped again. And then you thought, oh, this will never get going again. And then, finally, with the new stand and the thingy And I think that Liverpool have to have a real go on it because of him The touting thing was getting out of control, where you'd have Lomblok, who'd have 14 or 15 cards. It was knocking them out, and I kind of get that. But the funny thing is the new way that they do it, where you take it on your phone and that lot is knackered. A few friends who go very occasionally, kind of thing You know what I mean And that's kiboshed or that kind of thing. So you can't really win on all of this. It's getting rid of the touts, which I understand you are making an absolute fortune out of it, But it's actually punished the occasional user, kind of thing that's waiting for going. Then Oh, my mate's got laryngitis, he could come this week, kind of thing. And now they can't, unless they're friends and family or have got a thingy card. So I get it. Do you know what? If we're going to talk Liverpool It's an important summary, this one.

Speaker 2: 32:10

I mean we've just made the signing of McAllister, haven't we? But it's really weird. I have really mixed feelings tomorrow because watching Man City in that final It's a village galaxy because we're not there, kind of thing. But I have to kind of like get a grip on reality really, because past five years, when you think about it, darren, we've been spoiled, rotten, really, haven't we? I mean it's my time as a season ticket holder. I've been four Champions League finals. Most people don't even get go one. I've been two Europa Cup finals, four FA Cup finals, two, three Carabao Cup finals. It's like it's ridiculous when you lump them off kind of thing. But we've been spoiled up past five years and then suddenly they're season.

Speaker 2: 33:05

And I always say, when I watched it last season I wasn't to swap for anything, it was a party all the way. And I always remember the Walls game, even though Villa were beating Man City at Man City 2-0. We were never actually above them, we were losing to Walls And I did have that fear in me towards the end of the last season that we were running out of puff a little bit and needed fresh legs. And then I was quite shocked in the summer when they didn't. We bought Nunes in, but that was just for Marnie. I was quite shocked when we didn't bring any.

Speaker 2: 33:49

And then we kind of like had that false dawn against Man City and the charity shield And I was out with Jerry Sinemann on that. So all my friends went on that lawn. I thought, wow, you know, here we go, kind of thing. But then I did go full of them, and full of them was a bit of a slap in your face, you know what I mean. This isn't quite right, it's kind of thing. And then the whole adage we didn't need anybody. And then within three weeks didn't have a midfield Kind of like caught up with us really badly. And then, i think, couple that with the first time in five years where we didn't have a lot of consistency either. So you beat Bournemouth 9-0 and then lose the next two. The old mad thing is we beat Man U 7-0 and lost four games on the bounce after that.

Speaker 1: 34:43

Yeah, I mean it was a tough season. I mean, i've said it many times though, you know, the last five seasons has been absolutely amazing. I'm a 70s 80s kid, so the team of the 80s with Malby Barnes, you know, roshi Aldridge, was my team And I've never seen football like that until really this time around. I think we got used to it and we forgot these players are human beings and we looked at them like robots. I mean, you know, i was Virgil, i think it was after the World Cup. you know he's usually kind of soft spoken, but he came out and he was like we're human beings, we played so much football that I think we forgot. the players are physically and mentally absolutely knackered, you know. and to do it all again when they came so close to immortality and they did, and I think that's why a lot of us fans too, were knackered, you know we're like, ah crap, we've got to go again. And I was the same with you. I thought, after the community shield, i was like here we go again, come on, you know.

Speaker 1: 36:01

and then these little injuries started happening with midfield and Klopp said we didn't, you know, we went in for two shimenei and then he obviously went to Madrid, which you got, yeah, which which, which is fine. but then we didn't have a backup plan. No, it just which you didn't see. And for Klopp you know he's looking at his players. This is before all the injuries going. This is the same team that came so close. All right, we couldn't get to shimenei, but we got the same team. Let's go again. And I think him just saying we don't need any midfielders was mean and like look, we've got what we've got. But you know, ox should have been sold. but then ox got injured. Kater everyone, i think, was like all right, this is Kater's season to break out. And obviously didn't. didn't work, you know.

Speaker 2: 36:53

I honestly have a theory on all that now. It's very strange, really, because he was while his stats in the Bundesliga were amazing And he was like the guy we were after box to box midfielder that scored goals, But after two seasons this is where I really struggle sometimes around football is after two seasons. Surely you'd look at stats on somebody like Kater and go I don't think physically, mate, you can do it. And it's a bit strange because, like he's just signed today anti the November.

Speaker 1: 37:35

Yeah, yeah, and he can a massive pay cut as well. And it is funny, i, just someone on the Austin group, i think it was Blair but watching play every minute this season.

Speaker 2: 37:48

Yeah, but I think the mad thing is you would have looked at it two years ago and gone. Well, perhaps we can get off and money back here if we let him go, rather than then keeping going. And the mad thing is, i did ask David back off this, did Davey Percliffe. I asked him did he think that Klopp had been a bit sentimental with a few players? And I do think that came in When you've got players that have won you everything and have gone out time and time again and done it. I get that. I get that completely. But you also have the other thing where you know, when you hear Graham Soonus say that Joe Fagan and Bob Paisley had stand on the halfway line and pre-season and go keep your eye on them, he's coming towards the end. There'd be no sentimentality and to stay at the top You know what I mean There's got to be a certain amount of ruthlessness in most things. You touched on it and it should have happened, but it was a decision to kick the ball. 15 million we were offered off him. On Bournemouth, listen, i thought Oxlade Chamberlain did absolutely brilliant when he stepped in for Cattinio In them. Goals he scored against Man City were priceless and that lot. But when he did that knee against Romer, the surgeon actually said that he'd been used to opening somebody's knee up and they'd done three or four ligaments. Oxlade Chamberlain had done every ligament in that injury and it was amazing that he actually played football again. So then to nursing through it and get off of 15 million. I'd have put him in bubble wrap and put him on the train kind of thing. But we let him kick a ball and he broke down again. So that's another one then. That you don't make any money out of A few things scare me a little bit on this.

Speaker 2: 39:50

You've been playing Man City, which is virtually a state run sponsored team. You know what I mean. It's unlimited funds. You're playing perhaps one of the biggest teams in the world and I've got best mates who are Man United fans and that lot. There's no hatred for me and anybody having got time for any of that. And the funny story that I have with Man United is again off reach sport. I had to go Carrington to do one matters book of it And I took two of my mates who were massive Man United fans. He'd never been Carrington So, and at this point I'd been getting Malwood quite regularly and Malwood's not that big. But then again Curvee is a lot, lot bigger where they've moved to. But Carrington was on a different scale, you know what I mean. It was two aircraft, angers, with four bitches in each and all the stuff outside and things like that, and it was colossal. And then you start getting an idea actually how big Man United actually are. So you're against one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Speaker 2: 40:58

But now and this is the thing that scares me really about the premiership is we've got another club. Now that money means nothing to. And trust me when I say that Newcastle make Man City look like Paul Vale in finance wise. And if you think on the terms of that, that's frightening. And I honestly thought and it did think halfway through the season God, if Newcastle get in this time, i don't think you'll ever get him out of the Champions League, so that then you're coming down to two spots. It becomes that much harder.

Speaker 2: 41:39

And going back to what we were saying when I walked out to Madrid obviously a fantastic night, we had a whole adventure that I can tell you about going there and things. But I remember saying to me, mate, as we walked out the ground God, i hope they spend some money now on the team. You know you're looking at James Milner, who was 33 at that point, and things like that. As much as I love him and he's been a great team, at some point you have to go. We need a friend. And what you forget on all of that is was highlighted this year that James Milner could probably run rings on a marathon around.

Speaker 2: 42:21

All the Liverpool team were on a 60 second or a 22nd sprint to the ball He found he was found lacking. Hence his first tackle against Napoli and Napoli was a free kick and a booking. You know what I mean. And these are the little things that caught up with us this season And that's why this season this obviously some is massive for us, because we've got the ground running as well. You haven't got time for bed These players in anymore. We've got to be ready to go on August the 14th with the midfield. Then that can compete, because for damn sure Newcastle are going to buy a couple of players. God, i'm hoping Inter beat Man City tomorrow. I really do.

Speaker 1: 43:13

I think we all are. I mean Inter have just got a chance of City of winning it. You know, the Italian teams like to play very defensively If they can hold off City, it's just you know. I mean City ball Holland for the Champions League. We all know that. I mean now talking about human beings, he's a robot, 100% robot. But yeah, i mean that's where football seems to be going. Is just oil nations buying up these, these teams and just in it. Well, we all saw, the Saudi League is buying all the you know already have the old players.

Speaker 2: 43:58

Conte's going.

Speaker 1: 44:02

I mean messy thought about going. I'm surprised he's actually going to into Miami. But I mean, apple are basically paying his way, they're paying his way. But yeah, i mean money changes everything And you know, i won't lie, at the beginning of the season I didn't think we needed anyone. I didn't. No, i think I was.

Speaker 2: 44:24

I really didn't think I was more.

Speaker 2: 44:28

We were running out of puff. Yeah, i mean, we were just getting over the line on those things, and it's a brutal season when you play every game. But I think the only thing that I can say in all of this is, in FSG, of the brilliant owners and model owners, really, if you see how football should be running, everything else where there isn't an endless pot of money. But do you not think sometimes there in the FSG reactive instead or aren't proactive enough? So your case in point would be the centre-backs, where we let Lovring go because he wasn't getting out of game, and then we went three of them will be enough, don't worry And then within a month and a half we haven't got any of them left in his champions, then struggled for the season, and then that I think we never really replaced Jeannie as well. And the mad thing is that we suddenly, when you don't, you then realise that that midfield is like work so hard, you don't give anybody any time. And suddenly then you've got Tiago, who doesn't do that, where he likes time on the ball and is able to spread it around. But then, jeannie, when Alden and Fabinho after work twice as hard, and that's why they have been taken somewhat. So you kind of like go well, if we'd actually spent a bit of money on buying somebody from an Alden, he perhaps would have lasted as a little bit. But as a supporter and going that, i went to every final and the semi-finals and all the rest of it.

Speaker 2: 46:21

Last year you could see us just getting over the line on things. And I was quite shocked in the summer when, especially when if you you target a player and you don't get him, and then him You've obviously, if you've targeted a player in midfield, you've said we need somebody in midfield. Not having a plan B was quite strange to me kind of thing. And I suppose finances come into it if they are doing the any road end. Yeah, you know, does that? The only thing that you find with that kind of thing is bricks and mortar. Give you money back, players don't.

Speaker 2: 47:05

Yeah, and that's your biggest thing, once you've invested 50 to 70 million in a player, that's money down there. But then that goes back to that other argument where personally I'd looked at players like catering on. Do you know what I really wish this would have happened, but it's not going to and been quite ruthless on it and going on. Okay, let's get 30 million for him and let's chuck another 20 and then see if we can't get somebody who can physically do it in the premiership. He's stats are really good. You know, when he started for Liverpool and he played the high percentage rate of Liverpool winning was mental. But you can't have somebody starting one in 10.

Speaker 1: 47:50

Yeah, well, it's just tough because you know if we would have bought a quality midfielder, we wouldn't need three to be the summer. We don't need one. You know, i think we need maybe another centre back. I think Matt it might be leaving. You know Gomez just has lost all his confidence. Gomez for me. You know you might want to keep him, as you know, a backup, right back And he doesn't tend to have a little injury either, though Darren does he.

Speaker 1: 48:23

Yeah, he's the same. We seem to have that problem with these. Kanute seems to be a little bit injury prone. Matt, injury prone. Tiago, injury prone Again. to me Tiago is a luxury player. Yeah, we get 20 games maybe from him, You know last season.

Speaker 2: 48:44

I think was the least we've got out of him since we've had him.

Speaker 1: 48:47

Yeah. So you know, we've got to start looking at that, And I'm sure Klopp is and the team is now going. All right, we've got to look at these injury records at these players and stop buying injury prone players, You know, or is it something that they're doing in training? Are they training too much? Are they doing the right thing? You know, I'm going to let Klopp deal with that.

Speaker 2: 49:14

It's a strange one because also when we've sold players, the mad thing is then players haven't gone on to do a lot either. No, catino really has failed since he's gone, when Alton has had bad luck Rokey's leg just now coming back But as harsh as it sounds, marnie hasn't set the world on fire. So going back to what I originally said, sometimes a lack of foresight, because if you had replaced Winaldum, i was another one that honestly thought that Genie didn't score enough goals. He should have scored more goals than he should have. And you know, when he went they wouldn't give him a four-year contract. I think they only offered him a two or three-year deal and he wanted more money. I was like, oh well, we'll cope. And then you kind of like realise what Genie's biggest asset was to the club, was He never got injured?

Speaker 1: 50:15

Yeah, exactly. Well, i mean for Liverpool, though Genie played a different position.

Speaker 2: 50:21

For Holland.

Speaker 1: 50:23

For Holland. He was scoring the goals because he was allowed to go forwards, but he was the engine with Hendo, so it was like stay back, get the ball from the opposing team like press.

Speaker 2: 50:39

Close them down, yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:42

That's what it was about. So hopefully this summer, like we said, we've got McAllister in early and I think Klopp wants to get at least another two, three players in early, So they have a three-season. We go again. We see where we're at. I think we'll do our right next season.

Speaker 2: 51:05

Everybody moaned about not getting jude and things like that. But do you know what, right? I look at it a few other ways. I remember Sancho was massive at Dortmund, you know what I mean. And he was brilliant for England and that long He went man United and it ain't happened. And I'm not saying that Jude Bellingham would be like that.

Speaker 2: 51:27

But when you blow your entire budget on one player and if it doesn't work, you are really up the creek without a paddle, kind of thing. And I get why. It was always probably a few million too far for Liverpool, kind of thing. Not only that, you've got the kind of thing that Arsenal have got now, where they're playing stacker. Is it 250 grand a week now, or something like that? And he's just in 20. What's going on in two years' time when he's contracts halfway through and he walks back in and goes? are we extending this or are you putting me money up, kind of thing? You know what I mean. And if he's on 200 grand now, what's he going beyond in another two years' time, kind of thing.

Speaker 1: 52:13

See, that's the crazy thing too. Again, like money is kind of ruining football. The wages are just absolutely insane. You've got Salar on 300K. It looks like Jude is going to Madrid and it's looking about 400K. It's just madness for the 19-year-old. You get on Twitter and people have all these opinions and stuff. I don't think we'll ever know. Did Jude really want to come to Liverpool Or did we put in a bid? or were we already told by Jude's camp that he's chosen Madrid And maybe FSG and Klopp? they saw how much he wanted on wage-wise And they were like no, we're not paying the 19-year-old 400K a week. Go on on your bike.

Speaker 2: 53:13

I get it as well on the census. Everybody was like well, he could have gone Madrid later. I do see it from other sides sometimes, because when Madrid come in for you, or when United or whatever, it's always at the back of the mind If I don't go now, what if something ever happens and I never go, if I don't go now or whatever. But sometimes it ain't rosy. The shocking thing is it looks like Eden Azid's about to retire, don't it? If you think that Naby Kate has been injury-prone for us, kind of thing, you should look at the money that they paid for Eden Azid and the wages and what actually he did for Ray on Madrid And when you think of what he did for Chelsea and then as soon as he went to Madrid But again, it's one of them, if you don't go, how do you know? kind of thing. I think it's a massive I always look at.

Speaker 2: 54:23

I said to the lads on the boards going up to the last game of the season Mane, salah, a few of them that you can say different for Van Dijk, because it was a very public transfer, kind of thing. But I remember Salah, mane and a couple of others. They weren't really on my radar when we bought them And they were clever, clever signing. Somebody had seen them and gone. They'll work for you. You know what I mean. They'll really work for you. And I've got a feeling a couple of these might be like that People not really on your radar and you're thinking ooh. And then suddenly Bingo, it's a good signing.

Speaker 1: 55:07

I mean come on Robertson springs tonight. The first thing for 8 million. You're going. Loads of people like who? from the halls. They've just been rally-gated People really obsess about the price. I think You've got these Liverpool supporters well, i call them Liverpool supporters. I don't really think they are, they're just Twitter droids. They're kind of going well.

Speaker 1: 55:37

The only reason why we got McAllister is because it was 35 million. If Brighton would have said 60, fsg wouldn't have paid. I'm like, ah, don't start that crap. Obviously he was on Klopp's radar. We got him for 35 million because there's a release clause that says the 85 million. You're not bad. People really just need to think like Manne was only 30 something. S Bla was only, i think, 35. From Roma, the only big ones were Allyson and Van Dyke, and that was paid for the Catino money.

Speaker 1: 56:14

And I don't understand some of the. I call these fans. I call ourselves supporters. Fans are people that worry about net spend. I could care less about net spend, as long as we put Klopp rings in the right players. I could care less whether Southampton, villa, wolves have spent more money than us.

Speaker 1: 56:35

How many trophies of those three teams won in the last five seasons? Zero. So who cares about if they've spent more than us. I care about the right player that Klopp wants. What we as a fan base are starting to do is have these Christmas lists of places that we want Klopp to buy. It's like he was saying about Bellingham We all want Ferraris, but we can't afford Ferraris. And to me, mcallister, he's a World Cup winner And he's proven in the Premier League. And if we got him for 35 million, that's amazing business. And to me, they're all saying, oh, this lad that's come in as the director, it's not him that's done this deal, it's Julian Ward. This is his way present. He's probably been working on this for the past six months since the World Cup And he's probably worked on these two French lads as well. And I still believe in Klopp. I think he's the greatest manager in the world.

Speaker 1: 57:41

These people? we had one bad season And you know what A bad season? four points off of four. Yeah, it's bad for us because again we have. We've been spoiled Again. Yeah, like we said at the beginning, we've been spoiled the past five seasons. We've watched Liverpool head and toe with City constantly And one bad season. So what? Now? maybe next season, if we come to Christmas time and we're still not doing. I know, yes, well, we can't criticise Klopp. Klopp is not on a pedestal where we can't criticise because he's got some things wrong. Tactically. I think he got some things wrong, substituted wrong. We can't just say it's all FSG because, i've said it before, it's not FSG's fault that we are where we are. Klopp said he didn't need any players And When we win trophies, we should actually get FSG as well.

Speaker 1: 58:50

They're the ones that brought Klopp in. People forget that They pay all these wages. I'm not on the fence with them. I'm not for it, against them. I just think they're good owners. It's from the club that you're right Sustainability. I want to win this league the way it's supposed to be won. We're not throwing millions and billions at City and the Newcastle. I want to win it the way we've always done it with heart and soul and sweat and blood and tears. That's it, the old school win.

Speaker 2: 59:25

It does get hard to know that It does get hard. The mad thing is I don't know if you noticed it it's kind of weird because everybody's lamenting the City side saying this is the best one ever. The game for the treble, don't forget. Up until we knocked them out of the FA Cup, they were on for the quadruple themselves. Rayal knocked them out in the semi. We knocked them out in the FA Cup semi. They won the other two.

Speaker 2: 59:53

The mad thing is when we've gone toe-to-toe with them in the league, you only dare lose once and draw a few times. Man City, up until Christmas I think, had lost four times. That didn't happen for four seasons when we played them. It really didn't. It's a good City side. Since then they've gone on an amazing run. I don't think they're the best City side. Whatever it is, it's a mad one. It really is. The Newcastle thing scares me a lot because you are looking at it. Whatever happens now and we get it completely and utterly right, in the next five years Newcastle will emerge. They've got to. It's too much money to have made it. They'll probably get rid of that at some point and somebody will come in. But this whole thing of them getting Champions League in this first year when they've got money to me is a head of schedule. It's an odd one now. You won't get them out. It's a tick in the bed that's running around in there now and it's not going anywhere, kind of thing. It does become that much odd.

Speaker 2: 1:01:10

I've got ultimate faith in Jürgen Klopp. He's got everything right. The funny thing is, the only time I'd ever read a Allysen is when we put five past the McGanns Roman. It wasn't exactly on my radar then either, kind of thing. So he's turned into one of the best goalkeepers in the world, as everything that Klopp seems to touch tends to go that way. You know what I mean. So it is a good one. I am sure that he'll bring the right players in. I just wish that it always before. We pre-emptied things like that and we kind of like Darren, we ran the legs off this team till it was flat in the ground. That's a bit disappointing really, because if we had just bought in a couple of players, we probably would have got Champions League, kind of thing, and you know what I mean. A little bit, like I say, if you're actually a bit more proactive than reactive, it would be a little bit better. Do you want to ask me if you want the things on this one as well, so we can move on?

Speaker 1: 1:02:22

Well, i actually wanted to get back to your photography as well. Like you know, you've photographed some of the best bands in the world and you've done photography for Gerard, for Owen, for Pep Linda's book and everything. So who haven't you photographed that you would really like to, and that's. You know anything sports. You know music.

Speaker 2: 1:02:54

All the people musically I'd like to do are probably dead now. A massive joy division fanboy was too young, although I got no hookey. Quite well, even not doing new order through a mutual friend, believe it or not. He was doing sound for a little band called Le Volta, le Cote. When I first met him Yeah, who would I like? You've seen Bolt because it's I've got a really, really good story about a mate, a Muhammad Ali, and Ali would have been. I'd have got goose pimples around Ali.

Speaker 2: 1:03:36

Because if you think that Muhammad Ali was one of the most recognizable faces on the planet without the internet and without media saturation And my friend who lives on Central Park East, now actually in New York, often stayed with him when he lived on Central Park West And I remember bowling up once at his flat and on his fridge I got a Polaroid of Muhammad Ali with a fist underneath Mark's chin, kind of thing, and I'm like my God, you met Ali. He said, yeah, when he did once when we were kings, he did the book and the film and they came into New York. Mark was doing the boom arm sound, you know the big airy mic. He said I was around Ali all afternoon, kind of thing. And he said right at the end, when he cleared all the distractors out of the bookshop and everything, there was just Ali's entourage in there, the cameraman and the book owners and you know a few dignitaries and things like that And he said, tony, i saw me chance. And he went, champ any chance of an autograph or a photo. And he said Ali looked up, sharp as it takes, and he said, of course you can. And I was like, oh my God, but he'd be the one. You know what I mean, that Ali would be the one.

Speaker 2: 1:05:12

Funny, i did see Joe Aguero's book cover, you know. And again for Reach Ford, and it was a time when Liverpool were getting toe to toe with Man City And I think he beat us by one point that bloody season And I wish I'd have kicked him in the shin now, but he was a really great guy. I mean, you go from one extreme to the other. I've done Stephen Gerald three times. The first time I did him, i got I should have had something like an hour with him to do two covers And he gave me 20 minutes. The second time with him, i did his captain's book cover and I got 12 minutes for that one. And then the third time I did him I got 60 seconds, but, um, aguero, i did three and a half hours. We did everything, everything you asked for he did and everything And he was really, really good.

Speaker 2: 1:06:07

I got him signed in Argentina top as well, not in Man City one, but I would say, sports wise, probably, like I say, usain Bolt, maybe, probably, i don't, you know. I'm not a massive Messi fan already, um, a Ronaldo fan. I appreciate both of them kind of thing, um, but I always like and funny. You always have that lasting memory of Messi when at the Camp Nou, when they put three pastas and they were all at him at the end, bowing down to him and you know, and we played so well, scored no bloody goals and lost three, no kind of thing, and then that was the greatest night of my life. It's a hand field when we did him four. No, and I always have that lasting impression of that ball boy running. I don't know if you ever saw that gift, the ball boy he was sticking his face As he walked off always sticks in my mind.

Speaker 2: 1:07:12

But, yeah, football, the likes, yeah, i'd like to do Salah. You know something interesting with Salah. I always think you probably could do something with with him, nunes as well. You know what I mean A nice moody shot with Nunes. But if there was anybody I could have done, it would have been Ali. He really would have. He was just Ali. I get goosebumps thinking about now And some of these things were nice things what he did. I've just watched that George Foreman film, you know, and he, he, mentally, he, he mentally did George Foreman, not physically, physically they both beat seven shades out of each other but mentally, actually calling him an Uncle Tom and everything. He really messed with George Foreman's head, kind of thing, to the point where he gave it all up. And I'm not saying he found God, but you know what I mean. He, he certainly didn't help the situation, kind of thing. But yeah, ali, music wise would probably be X-Race Bex. I did the Sex Pistols in the reunion in was that in 97 when they came back and played Finsbury Park. That was a good show to shoot. But I'm always one of them when I'm shooting John Liden as well. I'm not sure if I want to, because I think he'd smash anything that I've got left in me thinking of him, kind of thing. You know what I mean, but probably be X-Race Bex and enjoy division.

Speaker 2: 1:08:48

If I could go back and Jimi Hendrix I saw many interesting stories about Jimi Hendrix. You know what I mean. That kind of thing could be very. I've got some mad stories like of being in Birmingham. My friend was tour manager the Beach Boys Oh wow, and I can't, is he Brian? Brian was the main Beach Boy. He was a bit bored and came in and was talking it And he was on about having the acetate of the first album, pet sounds, and bringing it over and was in the speakeasy and the Beatles were in there and they all went back to this hotel room and the Beatles were blown away with what the Beach Boys had come up with. And you sit there in the stories and that like a kind of like Berserk. if you think you've got a few stories like, wait until you hear some of these. So yeah, there are a few things, but it's funny and always kind of like.

Speaker 2: 1:09:54

I honestly think that the reason that I got on probably so well in the Liverpool press office and things like that is when I did Suarez once and he wanted the easiest character to get along with And I think that went over 15 minutes over the shoot, kind of thing, and God he bollocked the press agent. He absolutely ripped a strip of him, kind of thing, and so he was it. Honestly, i know it went a bit sour in the old Barcelona thing, especially when they came back, but he was one of the most wonderful players I ever saw at Liverpool. He was unplayable.

Speaker 2: 1:10:37

Not only that, it's only now as well that in the years, some of the stories where quarter zone injections in the ankles, in the feet and he's having put boots on there are two sizes too big, and now you know different things where a player I hate to go back, but it is one of the funny stories when Navi Kater announced he was going to do the fear, the most famous injury He said Navi Kater had at number one. We're sitting under the air conditioning on the plane and getting the correct number. He didn't play. And then you think of somebody like Suarez that was putting on a boot that was two sizes too big so we could play and things like that. And then it starts bringing it over to the reality of what some players will go through and what some players won't go through, kind of thing. So yeah, they are definitely the ones I did Torres as well. Torres was a great guy. I love Torres, yeah, he again Broke my heart.

Speaker 2: 1:11:43

Yeah, and really you could shout because he was advised very poorly in his words when he left. And if you'd had just gone at that point. I've waited as long as I could and I can't wait any longer. My career won't let me wait any longer. Everybody had stood up and gone. Telling the truth here, mate, go with the blessing, even though Chelsea down the road and all the rest of it There's all the words were wrong and everything. And even now he's come out and admitted the best place he ever loved playing football was Liverpool Football Club And he wishes he'd never have gone. But he's another one that left and didn't do a lot. He either scored that golden bars alone or that was about it once it's for Chelsea.

Speaker 2: 1:12:34

So I've been lucky that. The only thing is is the American owners tie it up pretty hard with Liverpool. The one that broke me out was I was up for doing Andy Robinson's boot cover as well, you know, and with the Covid then I couldn't get me And I was like this is f***ing my art. You know what I mean. One of the players that you just would have loved to have done his boot cover, and he gives it all for the club And then I can't do it because of bloody Covid and everything that happened. So, yeah, that is some of the people that I've missed there. I would love to have shot.

Speaker 1: 1:13:13

Well, tony, i really appreciate you coming on this hour, and 15 minutes has gone by so quickly. I could have you on for another two hours.

Speaker 2: 1:13:23

I could talk for Britain, didn't I?

Speaker 1: 1:13:26

We'll have to bring you back on for like parts of the 10.

Speaker 2: 1:13:32

Yeah, no problem with that. honestly, Like I say anything that I've got a passion for and I love, I can talk for Britain about, kind of thing. you know It's not hard when you love it, kind of thing. Photography, Liverpool and music are three of the major things in my life anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:13:52

I made it in my life as well, you know. I mean, i love photography, i love Liverpool, i love music. So if you want to check out some of Tony's work, your website is Tony.

Speaker 2: 1:14:05

Walliscroft, and it's Walliscroft is spelled W-O-L-I-S-C-R-O-F-T, dot go dot UK. So that's Tony Walliscroft on one word. And then my Instagram is at Redmen1, the number one, and yeah, they are my links.

Speaker 1: 1:14:28

Yeah, please go check out the photography because it is absolutely amazing. From again Red Hot Chili Peppers, foo Fighters, new Youngins 1975, the 80s, gerand Gerand, you know, blair Guerrillas, who are absolutely incredible musicians, david Alburn. But yeah, thanks again for listening. Please like and subscribe and we'll see you next time.